Malaysian Flight 370 May Have Landed in Pakistan, Source at Boeing – Report – UPDATE

Is MH370 in Pakistan?

Is MH370 in Pakistan? (file image…not recent)

The following is from the Langley Intelligence Group Network, which is a Washington, DC-based service providing global intelligence and forecasting from former CIA, U.S. intelligence and national security officers, drawing on an international network of experts and sources:

The Malaysian government reportedly is investigating the possibility that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 avoided radar detection and landed in Pakistan near the Afghanistan border inside Taliban-controlled territory, according to the UK Independent .

Investigators confiscated a homemade flight simulator from the pilot’s home to see if it reveals any useful information . . . the Malaysian foreign minister told reporters that Malaysia asked several Asian countries for assistance in its investigation, including Pakistan.

Pakistan dismissed the idea that a Boeing 777 could land undetected inside the country but promised to work with the Malaysian government in its search for the missing plane.

LIGNET analysts received information from a source at Boeing that the company believes the plane did land in Pakistan.  Israel is taking the possibility of a terrorist attack seriously by mobilizing air defenses and scrutinizing approaching civilian aircraft, according to the Times of Israel.

A Boeing 777 requires a lengthy, 7,500-foot runway, and Pakistan has many of them, meaning Flight 370 could conceivably be hidden in a hangar inside the country.

U.S. surveillance of the area may be able to shed light on the theory through satellite imagery or signals intelligence.

SOURCE: has also learned from our sources that the above is accurate. Whether the source is correct (that the missing airliner is there) we do not know at this time. But the source is reliable in our view.

U.S. assets are pulling out of the Indian Ocean (as already reported) and focusing on the ‘north’ corridor of the missing 777.



    • Tootie says

      Right, Richard. It is my belief this plane will be used to drop and nuclear bomb on New York City. THEN America will turn to Jesus.

  1. William says

    I have to agree this plane is in the ground over land someplace. Hopefully in one piece. I say this for several reasons. One had this been a sudden failure and loss of the aircraft why haven’t they found it yet. Yet the aircrafts Acars system was sending ‘handshakes’ for 6-7 hours after the transponder went offline. Two victims families are able to call the cell phones and they were ringing days after the plane went missing. How can a cell phone work if it’s not over land and near a cell tower. Also if a cell phone gets wet it is going to turn off and go straight to voicemail if you try to call it. What also is weird is the airphones where also tried and from rumors u heard they were ringing as we’ll. And had this aircraft had a mechanical failure why did the pilot not notify air traffic control via the radio or even setting a transponder code. Even if the radio and transponder was dead why didn’t they use a airphone or get over land and try a cell phone. Also what I know about flying if it was myself and I knew I couldn’t land the plane I would have either tried or got close to the coast and tried to land on the water bear were the plane would be found easier but yet that’s not the case the plane kept flying southwest? I really think this plane in someplace in the wrong hands of someone and all the countries need to get in gear and find this plane before something major happens with this plane like another terrorist attack someplace because this plane can just about fly anyplace.

    • Zaman Khan says

      I live in Spain and I know a gentleman who lost his phone in the water in a Marina in the Med. Five years later, his answering machine still comes on though the phone is at the bottom of the sea. I am no expert & cannot explain.

    • Patricia lockwood says

      Time to look at Diego Garcia navy base for underground base, possible living quarters. Been off limits since 1966, when deal with the UK. Look to border of Pakistan/ Providence of Kandahar, terriost, ” Hitch “.

  2. jiggs says

    So the stupid experts means to say that the plane crossed Myanmar and Bangladeshi air spaces, India-Pakistan border, 2000 miles of India itself….. one of the most monitored airspaces in the world, and it never showed up on someone’s primary radar?

    Recall that primary radar does not require a transponder. It combs the sky, and can find a rock. And if you think, “well they flew low to avoid radar,” two problems with that here: 1) two thousand miles of witnesses saying ‘what the hell was that.’ 2) The Himalayas are not low.

    Now don’t say the plane had stealth technology!

    By the way there are only 3 airports in Pakistan where this kind of big aircraft can land and those are Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad. If you talk about tribal areas of Pakistan, one should be aware that in those areas landing of a helicopter is not so easy and stupid experts are talking about landing of Boeing 777. Who call them expert ????

    • says

      The jetliner does not need stealth technology, if flying in the shadow of another jetliner with the transponders activated. Flight 370 turned west to match the flight path of a regularly-scheduled jetliner passing over India and to a Taliban-controlled airfield in western Pakistan. That is the only explanation that creates no contradictions in the evidence. Expect the Global Intelligence Community and particularly the CIA to enter the scene with all the answers to their own inside job, so the sheeple will trade a false sense of security for freedom and liberty. This kind of a global operation is needed right now to help get calm the storm created by the NSA caught violating the fourth amendment rights, which has potential to become a false flag 911-like event in the days and weeks to come. We shall see.

    • Magic says

      I assume from your commments you know little of a flight term called ‘shadowing’ or ‘flying dark’ and even less about the capabilities of a Boeing 777 in the hands of an experienced pilot with over 18,000 hours ‘ in the seat ‘. This might be beyond your capabilities of understanding but try and read this brilliant blog by Keith Ledgerwood. and please keep your troll like comments reserved for the low information crowd unless you enjoy looking like a fool

      • says

        Keith’s explanation mirrors mine with different landing areas. The troll/shill idiot is the one making condescending comments in the direction of those providing the best explanation told by the evidence as it exists today. “LIGNET analysts received information from a source at Boeing that the company believes the plan did land in Pakistan.” Let us consider the conclusions of the high-information crowd on what happened on September 11, 2001 at the Pentagon: The brilliant global investigators say that a 100-ton jetliner with N644AA registry crashed into the west side of the Pentagon going 530 miles per hour at 9:37:46 AM (911CR) to be completely ‘destroyed’ (NTSB, Jim Ritter), even though the rear C-ring wall stands just 220 feet from the outer E-ring wall showing no signs whatsoever that the two 6-ton Rolls Royce engines created any damage. A check of the Bureau of Transportation Statistics shows that American Airlines has never assigned the N644AA registry to any Boeing airliner in history, as this registry does not produce a date for the time-change parts to be replaced on the regular maintenance cycle of any jetliner.

        The FAA Chronology Timeline says that Flight 77 crashed into the west side of the Pentagon at 9:32 AM about six minutes ‘before’ the 911CR and ACAAR, which corresponds to the time that the Navy Clock stopped at 9:31:39 AM.

        Careful examination of the 911CR and ACAAR shows that the keyword “explosions” has been sanitized from both documents entirely with the singular term used just six times. The short of a long story is that the Global Intelligence Community was instrumental in carrying out the 911 Inside Job and responsible for running the ongoing cover-up operation and their fingerprints are all over this Flight 370 Case amid their collective silence. The evidence shows premeditated actions from the pilot’s seat for the jetliner to simply vanish with the final ping some seven hours into the operation. The jury is still out on exactly what happened, but my explanation (and Keith’s) makes the most sense from the evidence we have today with all due respect to the high-information crowd …

    • PETER MASON says

      i agree with jiggs. our so called experts have no idea. if that a/c had landed somewhere, and i may anywhere including talibanana country.
      you can,t compare a 777 to osama binladen. on the tv last night people from kota bahru said they saw a big plane. it only took about 10 days to find that out.

    • Zaman Khan says

      Flight 370 The CIA Hoax: Gordon Duff

      Wednesday Mar 26, 201403:19 PM GMT

      Today we are told that the fate of Flight 370 is known, not yet identified debris has been spotted in what is called “the Southern Indian Ocean,” perhaps more appropriately described as “north of Antarctica.”

      We also know that the 777/200 is a “fly by wire” aircraft with controls in place that allow the CIA to remotely pilot the plan “in case of emergency.” We were able to verify the design and implementation of this system through Boeing, Raytheon and commercial pilots.

      “BAD NEWS”

      The descriptions today in the New York Times and other publications are purposefully inaccurate and contradictory. Their explanations of how commercial aircraft communicate and are tracked are fanciful at best, at worst “criminal.”


      When Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 was reported as having crashed in the South China Sea, a massive cover up began yet no one will speak of it, nothing is written of it and its broad consequences are a subject of no investigation.

      While people around the world were told the plane was “lost” or “crashed,” it was being monitored by NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) and its regional defense partners through secret systems installed in the plane.

      In 2006, Boeing announced the following, from a John Croft article in Flight Global:

      Boeing last week received a US patent for a system that, once activated, removes all controls from pilots to automatically return a commercial airliner to a predetermined landing location.

      The “uninterruptible” autopilot would be activated – either by pilots, by onboard sensors or even remotely via radio or satellite links by government agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency, if terrorists attempt to gain control of a flight deck.

      Boeing says: “We are constantly studying ways we can enhance the safety, security and efficiency of the world’s airline fleet.”

      Similarly, Raytheon Corporation was awarded a contract by the Federal Aviation Administration 8 years ago to implement an “Advanced Route Evaluation System” (ARES) to work in concert with the system operated by the Central Intelligence Agency.

      In addition, the technical staff at Rolls Royce, a fact also reported in the Wall Street Journal, continually monitored the plane’s flight.

      Hundreds of people knew exactly where the plane was, how every system was working, what had been “turned off” not only when but where and exactly where the plane is now. Every word told the press, has been a lie.
      Every word told by the mainstream media has been a lie.


      Now everyone knows that the plane continued flying for hours. This is where the cover up becomes problematic; you see everything about the plane was known, position, conditions of the engines, oxygen levels in the cockpit and passenger compartment, this and much more.

      Even if the plane couldn’t be remotely piloted, its systems under “uninterruptable” control, a term coined by Boeing itself, the 777/200’s supposed “Flying Dutchman” journey to the South Pole is more than implausible.

      The CIA along with Joint military commands set up during the Global War on Terror, tracked Flight 370, monitoring it continually, monitoring the murder of its passengers, monitoring its landing, monitoring its refueling and know exactly where it is.

      If the plane really went down “off Antarctica,” they then monitored and “allowed” that.


      In Britain, technicians for Rolls Royce monitored the plane as well, reporting its position to the British government every minute it was in the air. Those technicians have been silent, the British government has never been asked, and no one has been asked.

      As the largest “Where’s Waldo” hunt in history goes on, now pulling in data from weather satellites and fleets of anti-submarine warfare planes unleashed upon the Indian Ocean, the entire thing is an “act,” a would-be comical farce.

      Flight 370 is a Boeing 777/200, one of the most automated planes in the world. We will be outlining some of the specifics that make this theft or hijacking or alien abduction or whatever the mainstream media chooses to call it not just improbable but government sponsored terrorism.

      9/11 ALL OVER AGAIN

      This isn’t the first time something like this has happened. When four airliners “disappeared” on 9/11 much of what we are seeing today occurred then, but with far less technology being denied and suppressed.

      According to Dr’s James Fetzer and Dean Hartwell, planes involved in 9/11 were still flying elsewhere after being listed as having crashed or never took off in the first place. These reports, though backed by verifiable data, were considered wild and suppositional by most but, in light of the Flight 370 debacle, deserve to be reconsidered.

      Yes, planes can fly for hours after having crashed and, “yes,” authorities will lie about, not just the location of planes but show a frightening indifference when it comes to the now obviously pre-planned “disappearance” of passengers.

      TRACKING 370

      There are a number of devices on commercial aircraft embedded in such a way as to prevent disabling while in flight. You will never hear about where they are, what frequencies they broadcast on or how they work.
      They are there. There are highly classified and they were on Flight 370, being continually monitored by military and security forces tasked specifically with preventing commercial aircraft from being used as weapons.

      We all remember the testimony at the 9/11 Commission hearings. Condoleezza Rice, General Myers, Rumsfeld and Cheney, none of them had ever heard of the possibility of planes used as weapons no matter how many memos they had sent or received contradicting their testimony.

      Similarly, days, even weeks later, one of the great “disappearing tricks” of all time, and the American military not only monitored every mile travelled but knew exactly when and where the passengers were killed. Part of the admitted “redirection” of Flight 370 included 45 minutes at 45,000 feet.

      There is a procedure taking exactly that long at that altitude for depressurizing the cabin, using up existing oxygen supplies and killing passengers.

      We received this from a Boeing 777 pilot with a major airline. From an article in New Eastern Outlook (Russia):

      “Just a quick update with what I know about the Malaysia 777 disappearance. The Boeing 777 is the airplane that I fly. It is a great, safe airplane to fly. It has, for the most part, triple redundancy in most of its systems, so if one complete system breaks (not just parts of a system), there are usually 2 more to carry the load. It’s also designed to be easy to employ so 3rd world pilots can successfully fly it. Sometimes, even that doesn’t work…

      There’s many ways to fly the 777 and there are safety layers and redundancies built into the airplane now to Malaysia. There are so many communication systems on the airplane: 3 VHF radios, 2 SatCom systems, 2 HF radio systems, plus Transponders and active, ‘real time’ monitoring through CPDLC (Controller to Pilot Data Link Clearance) and ADS B(Air Data Service) through the SatCom systems and ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) thru the VHF, HF and SatCom systems. The air traffic controllers can tell where we are, speed, altitude, etc. as well as what our computers and flight guidance system has set into our control panels. Big Brother for sure! However, most of these things can be turned off.

      But, there are a few systems that can’t be turned off and one is the engine monitoring systems. The Malaysia airplane, like our 777-200’s, uses Rolls Royce Trent Engines (as a piece of trivia….Rolls Royce names their motors after rivers….because they always keep on running!) Rolls Royce leases these motors to us and they monitor them all the time they are running. In fact, a few years back, one of our 777’s developed a slow oil leak due and partial equipment failure. It wasn’t bad enough to set off the airplane’s alerting system, but RR was looking at it on their computers. They are in England, they contact our dispatch in (REDACTED), Dispatch sends a message to the crew via SatCom in the North Pacific, telling them that RR wants them to closely monitor oil pressure and temp on the left engine.

      The crew did all of that and landed uneventfully, but after landing and during the taxi in, the left engine shut itself down using it’s redundant, computerized operating system that has a logic tree that will not allow it to be shut down if the airplane is in the air…only on the ground. Pretty good tech. Anyway, the point was that RR monitors those engines 100% of the time they are operating. And don’t EVER get in an Airbus!!”


      What do we know for sure? We know the plane was tracked continually. We know classified systems were on board that could reroute and land the plane no matter what any hijacker could have done.

      We know the passengers could be killed easily using control systems that should not be available to crew or hijackers but, for some reason, are a major “hole” in the security of an aircraft that has multiple redundancy systems for other “mishaps.”

      We know the media has never addressed simple technical issues that a simple “fact check” on Google could have rectified. Did they lie on purpose?

      Did someone tell them to lie?

      Sources claim the plane landed on Diego Garcia, was refueled, dead passengers “disembarked” and was moved elsewhere?
      Is this a better explanation than flying to the South Pole hidden from the world through multiple simultaneous failures of safety, communications, counter-hijacking and autopilot systems?

      What we are certain of is that in light of today’s announcement, a series of seemingly plausible rationales for what we really know to have been utterly impossible are being concocted.

      This effort is what is now called “reporting


      Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, a combat infantryman, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today. His career has included extensive experience in international banking along with such diverse areas as consulting on counter insurgency, defense technologies or acting as diplomatic representative for UN humanitarian and economic development efforts. Gordon Duff has traveled to over 80 nations. His articles are published around the world and translated into a number of languages. He is regularly on TV and radio, a popular and sometimes controversial guest. More Press TV articles by Gordon Duff

  3. topkatt333 says

    Jiggs you have nailed it. I hope these other stupid people with their own conspiracy theories realise this. They are not even aware of this part of the world, but keep on suggesting theories that even Hollywood may not even imagine.

  4. mak says

    In the context of a hijacking to Pakistan/Iran it may have been possible to fly across to a point south of Sri Lanka turn turn north flying up the western seaboard of India – then just to reach the border of Pak-Iran the total dist. travelled would be close to 4000 miles ~ 6-7 hrs – cutting it very close but still possible – depending on its original fuel load. For the Beijing sector it would probably have fuel for 7hrs flight. One thing is sure this route keeps it well clear of radar surveillance. However the few airports which can handle an aircraft the size of a 777 lie in the plains, while Taliban areas are well to the west & totally unsuited to construction of long airstrips – indeed as has been said landing VTOL craft requires great expertise !!

    With the latest sighting of debris in the south Indian ocean – the probability of this conjecture has surely diminished substantially ?

  5. Jiggs says

    Why find the plane 4-5 thousand km away in Taliban controlled areas where there is no airfield or landing facilities for the plane like 777 ? Why not Diego Garcia the nearest airfield. If we talk about possibilities , lets start from the nearest place where the plane pinged for the last time.
    Anyone here know the whereabouts of Taliban controlled areas ? Total area of Pakistan is almost 800,000 sq km. And Taliban are controlling only about 100 sq km and that is a strip between Afghanistan and Pakistan and both countries (Pak & Afg) claim the ownership of that land. Because of the disputed territory, both Pak and Afg have not been able to do any development work in that area since 1947. There is no road infrastructure or any other civic facilities. And we talk about landing boing 777 there. Keep it up “Experts”. doing a good job.

    • Jiggs says

      Yeah exactly, 777 landed on a lake bed and then they hided it in a cave. Now they will nuke any city of America using 777. Very funny. This how people of America are been fooled from decades by agencies. Stop watching action movies dear.

  6. Nalliah Thayabharan says

    Whatever happened to the Flight Malaysia Airlines MH370, it occurred quickly. The problem had to be big enough.
    There could have possibly been a cockpit fire that simply burned the plane in the air and also cut off radar and all other communications. The Boeing 777, registration 9M-MRO, was delivered new to Malaysia Airlines on May 31, 2002. The tip of the wing of the same aircraft broke off Aug. 9, 2012, as it was taxiing at Pudong International Airport outside Shanghai. The wingtip collided with the tail of a China Eastern Airlines A340 plane. The aircraft was powered by two Rolls-Royce Trent 892 engines. Almost 12 years old Boeing 777 had accumulated over 20,000 hours and 3,000 cycles in service.
    The stolen passports are not necessarily related to the disappearance of the plane since passengers use false identities for illegal immigration.
    The disaster is most similar to the mysterious disappearance of Air France Flight 447, which killed all 228 people on board. Investigations were unable to conclusively come up with a reason for the crash of the Airbus A330 until the plane’s black boxes – its flight and voice data recorders – were recovered from the bottom of the ocean two years later.
    Air France flight Flight 447 provided a cautionary tale against premature speculation. The accident was initially blamed by the airline on a thunderstorm. Later, investigators pinpointed ice that caused faulty speed sensor readings on the plane. But data recovered after a two-year search led authorities to conclude that pilot error had also played a part – the crew’s handling of the plane after the auto-pilot was disengaged put it into a stall from which it could not recover.
    Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370′s disappearance marks the fourth hull loss of a Boeing 777 – the previous being Asiana Airlines Flight 214 with three fatalities. In 2005, during a flight from Perth to Kuala Lumpur the crew received a “stall warning” forcing the pilot to turn back. On Jul 29, 2011 an Egyptair flight MS-667 – Boeing 777-200, registration SU-GBP was preparing for departure from Cairo (Egypt) to Jeddah (Saudi Arabia) at gate F7 with 291 passengers already boarded waiting for a delayed last passenger until doors could be closed .when a fire erupted in the cockpit causing smoke to also enter the cabin. Emergency exits were not opened, all passengers vacated the aircraft through the smoke and the main doors.What a lucky set of crew and passengers. Imagine the horror had they been airborne.The aircraft was subsequently written off as beyond economical repair.
    The more worrying part of the report on the Egypt Air fire was that the investigation discovered the suspect wiring and it’s brackets did not comply with the Boeing blueprints and a very large batch of 777s had been delivered with the same fault.
    If such a fire occurred at FL 350 (35,000 ft), on an aircraft flying 850 km/h (475 knots), it is plausible to assume it would be catastrophic. For context, the strongest Category 5 hurricanes ever recorded had sustained winds of only’ 340 km/h, strong enough to destroy many buildings that are not made of steel-reinforced concrete.
    If such a quick and devastating cockpit fire occurred aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, it could be consistent with some of the known facts:
    * communications being cut abruptly (pilots struggling to extinguish it, speed of fire, electronics destroyed)
    * no mayday signals sent (no time before cockpit uninhabitable due to smoke and fire, and/or instruments destroyed),
    * the transponder going down,
    * no calls from passengers (too high for cell-phone contact, no time, panic)
    * perhaps the “mumbling” when another pilot from Flight MH 83 to Narita radioed (e.g. if static or 500 mph wind sounded like mumbling),
    * perhaps a change of course and/or altitude (if the plane continued to fly for some time, even with the cockpit electronics destroyed due to a growing fire),
    * perhaps the plane suddenly disappearing once the fire reached some critical point (e.g. perhaps igniting fuel tanks or cabin oxygen tanks, or the nose-cone/windshield being breached and a catastrophic rush of air ripping through the plane, etc.), and
    * possibly (though less likely) the fire even reaching temperatures above 1,100 C, thereby damaging the flight data recorder.
    Evidently the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System – ACARS went inoperative few minutes before the last communications with the pilot. Disabling the ACARS is not easy,. Most probably an electrical problem or an electrical fire cause the shutdown of the ACARS than a manual shutdown and the pilots probably were not even aware ACARS was not transmitting. Things could have been in the process of going wrong, unknown to the pilots. The loss of transponders and communications were most probably caused by an electrical fire. In the case of an electrical fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until the bad one is isolated. If pilots pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It was probably a very serious fire and the pilots were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the cokpit fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the only way in such situations. Probably the pilot was turning towards the closest airpot – Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The did not turn towards Kuala Lampur most probably due to the fact that he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. The pilot obviously knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi, which also was closest airport.
    An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning due to under inflated tires, especially with heavy plane and long-run takeoff. A front landing gear tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. On departing Kuala Lumpur, Flight 370 would have had fuel for 8 hours of flying. The flight burned almost 25% in the first hour with takeoff and the climb to cruise. So when the turn was made the flight would have had more than 6 hours worth of fuel. The pilots were overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel and it crashed. This correlates with the Inmarsat Satellite data pings being received until fuel exhaustion. The flight continued until time to fuel exhaustion confirms that the pilots were incapacitated and the flight continued on.
    A pilot on flight MH 83 – Boeing 777 – flying 30 minutes ahead of the MH370 claims to have made contact with flight MH 370 to ascertain its position just after 1.30am – but the voice at the other end, believed to be that of co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, was just a mumble and there was a lot of static interference. The ‘mumble’ could be the vital clue – for hypoxia starves the brain of its cognitive faculties and the victim becomes like someone heavily intoxicated, unable to think or speak properly, before passing out. Three crashes in the past 15 years have been attributed to the pilots passing out from hypoxia – lack of oxygen – resulting in their aircraft flying on for hours until they ran out of fuel and crashed. The timing of the mumbled contact from MH370 fits in with the final coherent words spoken by Fariq – ‘All right – Good night’ – at 1.19am on March 3 as MH370 passed over Malaysia’s north east coast and headed out over the Gulf of Thailand. May be one of the pilots had desperately tried to turn the aircraft back to the nearest airport Langkawi resulting in the sharp turn but had passed out after making that manoeuvre and the jet had continued on westwards either on autopilot or with that system switched off. Stupified fumbling with the controls might have resulted in systems being shut down.
    In Oct 1999 top-ranked golfer Payne Stewart, 3 other passengers and the pilots of a chartered Learjet 35, were killed when all on board were incapacitated due to lack of oxygen as it flew across the United States. The jet flew on over the southern and mid-west USA for almost 4 hrs and 2,500 km before it ran out of fuel and crashed in a field in South Dakota.
    In Sep 2000 a chartered Beechcraft 200 Super King Air plane set out from Perth, Western Australia, for a mining town in the same State, but later air traffic control was unable to make any sense of the pilot’s words and he seemed unable to respond to instructions. 3 other aircraft failed to make radio contact with the pilot and the Beechcraft flew on for 5 hrs before running out of fuel and crashing in the desert, resulting in Australian media referring to it as the Ghost Flight. In 2005 a Greek airliner – a Helios Airways Boeing 737 – crashed into a mountain near Athens, killing all 121 on board after investigators concluded that the jet had lost cabin pressure and it became too late for the pilots to reach for their oxygen masks before they became unconscious. In that case, it was found that one of the cabin attendants had come around enough to try to save the aircraft and had struggled with the controls – in vain. Could such a scenario have occurred on flight MH370? It is a question which might take years to answer, if at all. Much of the wreckage may be at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. The size of the debris field will be one of the first indicators of what happened. A smaller field would indicate the plane probably fell intact, breaking up upon impact with the water. Discovering the debris can take days. . If it is due to a deadly mechanical breakdown then Malaysia Airlines should take the blame

    • Richard Wyeroski says

      You have some very good points on the disappearance of Flight MH 370. The authorities know more then they are letting on simply because for security reasons and to protect the investigation, the bad guys must not know what is going on.

      I think you would agree that no investigation into terrorist activity is worth anything if the whole world knows what is going on behind closed doors.

      Who ever did this is not done IMO and to catch them, they must not know we are coming

      Everyone has their opinion and maybe it will help the investigators?

      Ironically the Payne Stewart accident was piped into to an accident investigation class I was attending in Oklahoma City for the FAA. It was sad and unfortunately a problem with the pressurization and oxygen systems. The class listened as the military were along side and had orders to stop the aircraft. However it was projected to go down in a non populated area and a shoot down order was not necessary.

      What ever happened to 370 is anyone’s guess right now!


  7. Zaman Khan says

    In a message dated 3/25/2014 6:05:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:


    I have received two stories from two very different but western sources and they both make a lot of sense & they are both very similar. I for one have 30 years experience flying the Atlantic, South Atlantic, the Pacific, the Indian Oceans & generally worldwide. In fact we had the first privately owned B-777 in our own company. Let us have your opinion on it.


    MH 370 – a conspiracy theory.

    Have you heard of this conspiracy theory regarding the disappearance of MH 370? The story goes like this:

    The Americans are withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilot less drones) was hijacked by the Taliban when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

    What the Taliban want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system’s technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

    Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

    The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

    There are 5 American and Israeli agents on board who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 “Iranians” with stolen passports could be among them.

    When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWACS jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

    How the AWACS can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 9/11 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system that is used to control the pilot less spy aircraft and drones.

    The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space is covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

    The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

    The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refueled and continued its flight to Garcia Diego, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.

    The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.

    The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

    Don’t believe the story? Lets wait and see how the episode unveils itself. Or perhaps it will never be known until the next Snowden emerges.

    Was MH370 forced to land at Diego Garcia ?

    Russia “Puzzled” Over Malaysia Airlines “Capture” By US Navy

    By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

    A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) states that Aerospace Defence Forces (VKO) experts remain “puzzled” as to why the United States Navy “captured and then diverted” a Malaysia Airlines civilian aircraft from its intended flight-path to their vast and highly-secretive Indian Ocean base located on the Diego Garcia atoll.

    According to this report, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (also marketed as China Southern Airlines flight 748 through a codeshare) was a scheduled passenger flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, China, when on 8 March this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft “disappeared” in flight with 227 passengers on board from 15 countries, most of whom were Chinese, and 12 crew members.

    Interesting to note, this report says, was that Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

    What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama, this report continues, was that within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”

    Both Kennedy and Reynolds, this report says, were employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and has long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.

    Upon GRU “assests” confirming that this “highly suspicious” cargo was aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on 8 March, this report notes, Moscow notified China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS) of their concerns and received “assurances” that “all measures” would be taken as to ascertain what was being kept so hidden when this aircraft entered into their airspace.

    However, this report says, and as yet for still unknown reasons, the MSS was preparing to divert Flight 370 from its scheduled destination of Beijing to Haikou Meilan International Airport (HAK) located in Hainan Province (aka Hainan Island).

    Prior to entering the People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands, this report continues, Flight 370 “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to Diego Garcia.

    Critical to note about Flight 370’s flight deviation, GRU experts in this report say, was that it occurred during the same time period that all of the Spratly Island mobile phone communications operated by China Mobile were being jammed.

    China Mobile, it should be noted, extended phone coverage in the Spratly Islands in 2011 so that PLA soldiers stationed on the islands, fishermen, and merchant vessels within the area would be able to use mobile services, and can also provide assistance during storms and sea rescues.

    As to how the US Navy was able to divert Flight 370 to its Diego Garcia base, this report says, appears to have been accomplished remotely as this Boeing 777-200 -ER aircraft is equipped with a fly-by-wire (FBW) system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls of an aircraft with an electronic interface allowing it to be controlled like any drone-type aircraft.

    However, this report notes, though this aircraft can be controlled remotely, the same cannot be said of its communication systems which can only be shut down manually; and in the case of Flight 370, its data reporting system was shut down at 1:07 a.m., followed by its transponder (which transmits location and altitude) which was shut down at 1:21 a.m.

    What remains “perplexing” about this incident, GRU analysts in this report say, are why the American mainstream media outlets have yet to demand from the Obama regime the radar plots and satellite images of the Indian Ocean and South China Sea regions as the US military covers this entire area from Diego Garcia like no other seas in the world due to its vital shipping and air lanes.

    Most sadly, this report concludes, the US is actually able to conceal the reason(s) for the “disappearance” of Flight 370 as they have already done so after the events of 11 September 2001 when the then Bush regime “disappeared” American Airlines Flight 77 and its 64 passengers and crew after falsely claiming it hit the Pentagon, but which was confirmed by the CNN News Service [see video HERE] not to have happened.

    On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Terrence De silva wrote:

    Six important facts you’re not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
    TRUTHER MARCH 11, 2014 5

    Mike Adams

    There are some astonishing things you’re not being told about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the flight that simply vanished over the Gulf of Thailand with 239 people on board.

    The mystery of the flight’s sudden and complete disappearance has even the world’s top air safety authorities baffled. “Air-safety and antiterror authorities on two continents appeared equally stumped about what direction the probe should take,” reports the Wall Street Journal.

    WSJ goes on to report:

    “For now, it seems simply inexplicable,” said Paul Hayes, director of safety and insurance at Ascend Worldwide, a British advisory and aviation data firm.

    While investigators are baffled, the mainstream media isn’t telling you the whole story, either. So I’ve assembled this collection of facts that should raise serious questions in the minds of anyone following this situation.

    • Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion

    No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

    • Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean

    Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn’t been detected at all. That’s why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to “home in” on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself — an object designed to survive powerfulexplosions — has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

    • Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water

    In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That’s because — as you may recall from the safety briefing you’ve learned to ignore — “your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device.”

    Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by anexplosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

    • Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature

    One theory currently circulating on the ‘net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to “smithereens” — which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

    The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.

    • Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery

    Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed — three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

    Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They’ve seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.

    • Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar

    Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called “passive” radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).

    Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.

    Conclusion: Flight 370 did not explode; it vanished

    The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they’ve somehow missed all along).

    The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the ‘net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.

    Personally, I’m not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn’t been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.

    The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won’t. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

    If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever controls it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth’s nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

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  8. mak says

    fascinating indeed – but the insinuation,even if there is a modicum of truth in this, the repercussions could be enormous……however even if its just baseless propaganda it’ll surely make a great movie.

      • mak says

        Jeff – I’m open to any logical place within the ~6+ hrs flight envelope…

        I have already written at length, in the ‘forum’, on the possible regions where the aircraft could have landed within the initial N arc – the most likely route to Pak/Iran would most logically avoid 1200 miles of Indian territory. So it would have to be (radar-‘free’) S. bay of Bengal – up N. along Indian W seaboard to wherever…..~3000+ miles @ avg 550 mph ~ 6+ hrs…quite doable. but unless there is implicit connivance of the establishment it wouldn’t be possible….and the establishment under the present circumstances is very unlikely to provoke the ire of the powers that be…..but there is no telling the ignorance & madness of men….

        “I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies but not the madness of people.”
        ― Isaac Newton

    • Zaman Khan says

      A Tiny Microchip Was The Likely Motive For Pentagon Hijack Of MH370 ????????

      Yoichi Shimatsu

      The question tormenting millions of cyber-sleuths is Why? What could be the motive behind the elaborate plan for the midair capture of Malaysian Airlines flight 370?
      Among the 200-plus passengers bound for Beijing, the target group for the hijack is narrowing down to 20 tech employees working for Freescale Semiconductors, based in Austin, Texas. Among these programmers and systems designers are 12 Malaysians and 8 citizens of mainland China.
      A Tiny Microchip Was The Likely Motive For Pentagon Hijack Of MH370
      The company is no newcomer but has long-time connections in East Asia, as the former design subsidiary of Motorola, which once dominated the Asian communications market in the postwar era. Freescale has design centers in Kuala Lumpur and in China, including Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, Chengdu and Suzhou.
      Besides its lucrative production of microchips for automotivecomponents, Freescale has extensive contracts with the U.S. military, producing wafers and circuits for navigation, periscopes, electronic targeting, self-guided missiles and other weapons systems that require intelligence controls.
      Any defense-related company at the nerve center of Pentagon hardware is bound to attract the attention of weapons designers from both adversarial and allied nations upgrading their military capability. Japan, France and the UK, along with Russia, China and Iran, all want the leading edge thatcontractors like Freescale provide.
      What technological innovation would prompt the Pentagon’s military intelligence agencies to electronically interdict a civilian airliner in mid-flight, while disposing of the collateral passengers as shark bait?
      Ultra-small Microcontoller
      In February 2013, Freescale unveiled the Kinesis KL02, the world’s smallest microcontroller, measuring 1.9 mm by 2mm and containing RAM, ROM and a clock. The company brags that the device is so small that it can be swallowed for medical uses, such as releasing drugs according to prescription schedule or directing micro-surgery.
      Tiny though it may be, the micro-controller is the key to next-generation warfare based on self-guidance, tactical versatility and hierarchy of commands, in short, an adaptive thinking weapon that can outsmart foes. Potential applications include:
      – Drones smaller than a fly, either as remotes or autonomously, on surveillance missions or to deliver biowarfare packets, for example, lab-cloned viruses or toxic drugs. Their light weight means longer flying periods or even indefinite hovering time if solar-powered.
      – Injectable implants to insert a human-machine interface, for example, a targeting system attached to the optic nerve, rendering Google glasses obsolete. Bionic implants could be implanted in nerves of the limbs to control battery-powered prosthetics, realizing the Pentagon’s dream of a human-centered robotic warrior, known to anime fans as “meka”.
      – Maneuverable micro-satellites and mini-submarines that can be operated as drones or act independently to track and hunt larger weapons systems, spy satellites too small to be detected by ground telescopes, and orbiting warheads containing chemical, biological or nuclear materials.
      Strategic Versus Commercial Interest
      Tje series code of Kinesis KL02 stands for Version 2 made in Kuala Lumpur, which is the capital of Malaysia. This core of America’s next-gen weapons systems was developed overseas, in a Muslim-preponderant country economically allied with China, Russia and Japan and often at odds with US foreign policy. Therefore, an upcoming round of testing in China, and possible manufacture of Version 3 in Beijing, was a prospect that the Pentagon agencies, especially the NSA, the US Air Force’s Space Command and DARPA, had to stop by any means available.
      As Freescale Malaysia prepared to test Kinesis at its sister research labs in Beijing and Tianjin, alarm bells were sounding at the DARPA-funded Charles Stark Draper Laboratory in n Cambridge, Massachusetts. That leading weapons-research facility was created during World War II to build navigation systems and bomb sights stabilized against turning and vibrations by inertia. It has since moved on to microchips for every military application, including inertial guidance for ballistic missiles, communications, GPS, intelligent targeting systems, orbital piloting for the International Space Station and, under the cover of “biomedical”, the transhuman super-soldierprogram.
      The release of Kinesis exposed the Pentagon’s dilemma over dual-use technology, which can garner vast profits through civilian applications, as shown by GPS for cars and smartphones, yet threaten to wipe out America’s technological lead in warfare. The choice of whether to down on a new technology is not limited to Pentagon insiders and generals, since defense contractors and elite corporate executives are also involved.
      Dirty Work for Israel
      In the case of Freescale, the executive management and several veteran board members are connected with the Carlyle Group, which favors civilian commercialization of defense-related technologies to benefit its investment partners, including George Bush Senior and several retired defense secretaries.
      On the other hand, Freescale is financially contolled by private-equity group Blackstone, with major investors including the Rothschild banking family and several of its business partners. As top financiers behind the Zionist movement, the pro-Israeli interest is to prevent miniaturized robotic weapons from falling into the hands of Iran and its allies Hezbollah and Hamas. Micro-vehicles, self-guided and with tactical flexibility, swarming against Israeli cities, ports and airfields would be a nightmare for the Israel Defense Force.
      Therefore, the defenders of the Jewish state had to take action. Better to kill 200 Malaysian enemies and Chinese nobodies than to harm one hair on the head of any of the Chosen People. And thus, the order came down from the Red Shield, the House of Rothschild, to their neocon subordinates inside the Pentagon: Stop Flight 370 at any cost to America’s reputation.
      The New Boss
      Thus, in November, just a few months before the MH370 hijack, Freescale seated a new member on its Board of Directors. Joanne Maguire is an executive with three decades of experience in the Lockheed Martin Space Division. She studied electrical engineering at University of Michigan and UCLA, where she earned her master’s degree. She was invited to the Harvard Program for Senior Executives in National and International Security. Caltech honored her with the Karmann Wings Award and she received the Peter Teets Award from the National Defense Industrial Association.
      As the very embodiment of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), Maguire was the ideal choice to serve as watchdog against the corporate profiteers at Freescale.
      Hijacking the Truth
      There is no point in further disparagement of the pilot and co-pilot of the ill-fated flight, given their political connections with a compromised opposition beholden to the colonial past. The practicing with landing at Diego Garcia on the pilot’s flight simulator indicates a deep background with the Western intelligence services and probably Israeli espionage operating out of Singapore.
      Whatever the role of the plane crew, the NSA and US Air Force Space Command do not need manned piloting, except to maintain the appearance of normality at takeoff from Kuala Lumpur International Airport. As discussed in my earlier article, voice communication and navigational signals would have been disabled by a burst of powerful narrow-aperture radar used forelectromagnetic warfare. The cockpit computer would then be reprogrammed, using Boeing’s own emergency piloting system, expanded with Pentagon and Israeli software.
      From the South China Sea to Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, the jetliner would be remote-controlled by a drone operator. Its unscheduled flight path would be tracked and subsequently remoted from data records by the NSA listening posts in Sri Lanka and the Jindalee eavesdropping facility in northwest Australia. Radar stations in the Maldives, installed under a US maritime accord, served to guide the jetliner to the southernmost atoll of the archipelago toward Diego Garcia, immediately to the south.
      The airliner’s descent over the Maldives, according to witnesses, went smoothly, for a safe landing on the long tarmac at the US Air Force Base on Diego Garcia Island, a CIA rendition center with underground hangars and prison used during the Iraq and Afghan wars.
      Upon arrival, the passengers would be herded into separate waiting areas, with the prize captives from Freespace sent to a debriefing facility, where their hard drives, laptops and smartphones would be confiscated and data downloaded, while the human intelligence assets were being questioned. The interrogators had a fairly easy task in telling the defenseless programmers: Join us or die with the rest.
      The cooperative would be given a new identity, and reintroduction into civilian life in a remote North American community after being administered memory-erasing drugs, similar to the ones first developed in the MK-ULTRA program.
      After vetting of all passengers, the uncooperative and high-risk suspects would be drowned and their corpses tossed near a phony “crash site”, off the coast of Western Australia, while US submarines discharge other bits of “evidence” into the cold waters. The crew of the plane was probably rewarded with a short walk off the plank into the jaws of waiting sharks. Anyone who puts their trust in imperial power deserves no less.
      Once the operation is completed and the media begin the mourning rituals, tearful American diplomats will attend memorial services for the missing victims of a tragic accident. Meanwhile, a cabal of Air Force officers and defense contractors will be clinking beer mugs with their former boss and guru, General Michael Hayden, the bureaucrat who militarize spaced and expanded the NSA into the global monstrosity that it has since become.
      MH370 will be remembered on the History Channel as an unsolved riddle wrapped in mystery, but no TV station will mention the other code involved in this dreadful affair – KL02 – cause of the untimely deaths and mangled memories of any survivors.
      Yoichi Shimatsu is a Hong Kong-based science writer, former editor of The Japan Times Weekly and a founding faculty member of journalism schools in Hong Kong and Beijing.

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