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Allegiant to Place Order for Airbus Jets?

| June 18, 2012 | 20 Comments
Allegiant Air MD-83

Allegiant Air MD-83

Allegiant Air is strongly considering placing an order with Airbus for a number of narrow-body aircraft to update their fleet, according to our sources at Airnation.net.

We’ve been told that the Las Vegas-based budget carrier could order 4-8 A320 and A321 aircraft either through a direct purchase or more likely a lease arrangement.

Allegiant has performed strongly even in a difficult economy and is looking to upgrade its aging fleet of MD-80 series aircraft. Currently they have about 55 aircraft in service, most of which are the aformentioned MD-80 series planes.

They also operate a few Boeing 757-200 planes.

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  1. A380 The Ruler says:

    Nice…I hope this happens. The sooner the better they get those gas guzzling hunks of metal out of the sky.

    • HenHouse says:

      Hey…don’t look now but I think one of your A380’s wings are falling off…

    • Jim Thodo says:

      I don’t normally get in to arguments Mr. Ruler but the DC-9/MD-80 is one of the great planes ever built. Reliable and solid performance. Over 1,000 built.

      I happen to like the A380, but you hardly have any baseline to call it a great plane. It just hasn’t been in the sky that long. It could end being great, but it surely is not as of now.

      It has a LONNNGGGG way to go before it can stand next to the 747, which is a legendary plane.

      • A380 The Ruler says:

        Then answer me this Jim: How many people have lost their lives in an MD-80: Over 1,000

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD-80

        ‘As of November 2009, the MD-80 series has been involved in 60 incidents,[27] including 27 hull-loss accidents,[28] with 1,177 fatalities.[29]‘

        How many in an A380? 0

        That would be ZERO

        The MD-80 is a death trap, pure and simple.

        • Jim Thodo says:

          You’re comparing a plane that has been around for 30 years to a plane that’s been around for 5.

          And son, let me tell you something about life in general: Nothing is ever ‘pure and simple’ except in coloring books.

          • Chris says:

            OH. He did NOT just try to compare the DC9 derivatives to the A380.

            I need to go take my blood pressure pills.

            This kid needs to take his toys and go home already. I feel bad for anyone reading this forum, being fed this bigotry. I supposed anyone not around long enough to realize you can’t compare the safety record of a plane invented before Vietnam with one designed after 9/11 isn’t bright enough to know when he’s the pariah of the group.

        • Chris says:

          Ruler, I know you spent a lot of time in high school (graduating at 22 per your previous rants) so did you ever take Statistics and/or Probability?

          The A380 has been in service for less than 5 years and only 77 are flying, with approx 20 in the air at any given time. The 747 has been in service for 43 years and a total of 1,435 have been built, with approx 200 flying at any given time.

          Do the f*****g math. Probability clearly indicates the 747 has more air time, thus the ratio between incidents:flights will be greater for the plane that hs been flying more.

          And you also forgot to take into account the fact that flying was a lot different 40 years ago than it was today! Technology, pilot training, maintenance, and the safety systems installed in new planes wasn’t invented when the 747 was designed. STOP COMPARING the 747 and a380 unless you provide DATA that backs up your theory! Your either lack of ability of unwillingness to make an intelligent comment is so disturbing! If you want anyone to take you seriously, than can you at least make an attempt to say something that makes sense? You’re an embarassment to this site! Seriously, we are all laughing at you! LOL

          • Chris says:

            Well, well, well… I did a little more research!

            Like i said above, the A380 has been in service for less than 5 years with only 77 being built (keep in mind that a majority are still grounded awaiting their wing crack retrofits) and approx 25 in the air at any given time. The DC9/MD8x/MD90/717 has been in service for 47 years, with a total of 2,439 built and approx 280 of these DC9 derivatives in the air at any given time.

            Turns out these numbers are more impressive than my use in the 747 vs a380 analogy!

            Between 1965 and 1970, the DC9 was involved in 5 “incidents” per your lovely wikipedia site. At this time, only 400 had been built. Thus, the ratio between incidents and production units was 5:400 (or in lowest terms, 1:80).

            Between 2007 and 2012, the A380 was involved in 1 “incident” per your lovely wikipedia site. At the time only 77 have been built. This yields a ratio of incidents and production units to 1:77.

            Well, if we reduce these fractions, we yield that the DC9’s incidents per production units was 1 incident per 80 planes while the A380’s is 1 per 77 planes. Close yet the DC9 still wins! These statistics show that in the first 5 years of production, the DC9 built more planes per incident than the A380. Yes the incidents aren’t the same; ALL of the 5 incidents for the DC9 were pilot/weather related while 100% of the A380’s one incident was caused by design flaw (and yes, engines blowing up and wings breaking open count.

            So does that clear it up for you? Even back in 1965, the DC9 still had a greater safety record than the A380 in 2012. And i neglected to mention the fact that the A380 had a major structural failure in it’s wings within the first 5 years of ownership while the DC9 has never had one even after 47 years. Oh, and the FAA has certified the DC9 to 100,000 cycles with the A380 only given 20,000 cycles. Oh one more thing… The 747 has been given 20,000 cycles… Where does the A380 show improvement here? And the 747 was designed in 1970. And i should also mention the first A380 with the “wing cracks” had 250 cycles. Two hundred and fifty miniscule cycles. The DC9 is certified to fly 100 THOUSAND cycles without damage.

            This is called DATA. This is how you develop solid opinions- not wikipedia or wherever else you seem to be getting your warped information from.

            The next time you want to have one of your “rants” maybe think twice about posting data that only incriminates your “theory”. You sound like an idiot. You truly are an embarrassment to this site and anyone who’s unfortunate enough to have to read your rants.

  2. A380 The Ruler says:

    Last time I checked Wikipedia was fairly reliable.

    So, are you disputing that over 1,000 people have perished in crashes in the DC-9/MD-80? If that stat is wrong then ok. But let me see it.

    Any hey…you’re reading them. (rants)

    :)

    • Chris says:

      Where in any of my replies do you see an indication that I’m disputing the total number of “incidents” for the DC9/MD80?

      If you read very carefully my mathematics you will note I was counting the accidents for the DC9 between 1965 and 1970 as this is the only USEFUL data if one wishes to compare it to the A380. If you wish you may do the same for the MD80 between 1980 and 1985 however you will find the data works even more against you.

      Statistically, you were less likely to experience an “incident” flying aboard a DC9 between 1965 and 1970 than you would flying an A380 between 2007 and 2012. The reason? Only 77 A380’s have been produced. Between 1965 and 1970 there were 400 DC9’s produced. There were more incidents for the DC9 in the first 5 years because there were more of them flying. If you had statistics or probability you would learn that ratios are used to compare data; not values. One incident per 77 planes flying is more “significant” than 5 incidents per 400 planes flying. Keep in mind that Douglas used to push out 2 planes per day before the DC9 when they were producing planes for war. The DC9 is much smaller than the A380 thus they could produce them faster. More planes in the air yields a greater probability of there being an incident. That’s why planes pushed out in great quantity such as the DC9/MD80 have more incidents than the A380. As we have all tried to tell you, the A380 is simply too young in it’s infancy to have gathered enough sample size to determine whether it’s a better airplane than others who have been in production for 43 years. In the math I have done for you above, I have demonstrated that there are more incidents per A380 than incidents per the DC9 for the first 5 years the A380 was in production and for the first 5 years the DC9 was in production. This is called a “statistic” not a “number”. I promise you, in 43 years time the A380 will have more incidents! And if they develop at the same rate as they do now (1 per every 77 flying) that 43 years from now the A380 will have more total incidents than the DC9 has now after 43 years of flying. The 1:77 value is called a “rate of change”. As time progresses, more A380s will be produced, and thus the number of incidents will increase. What I’m telling you is that the A380 has a greater number of incidents per plane flying than the DC9 did 43 years ago. I cannot put it any simpler for you. The math is clear.

      Do you get it now? We aren’t making this up, I promise! It’s called statistics.

      My grad professors would have been proud tonight!

      • JamesMX says:

        Damn Chris! I think you just stumped everyone on here including ‘A380 Puppet’. :)

        Good work!

        • Chris says:

          Haha, the results proved it! I love Science…

          I also forgot to add that if the shrapnel that punctured the wing of the A380 during the engine explosion was 12 inches aft, it would have most certainly caused an explosion of the wing and all 500 passengers would have perished. Right there that would bring the total number of A380 “deaths” to half of the total deaths for the DC9/MD80…. in one day. Analyzing the safety data for the DC9/MD80 and considering there are almost 300 of the DC9 derivatives in the air at ANY given time, there’s no doubt it’s one of the safest and most reliable airliners ever built. I should also note that the 717 maintains a dispatch reliability higher than ANY commercial airliner, ever. Not that it matters…

  3. Jim Thodo says:

    Impressive work Chris. Like James said, I don’t think A380 knows what to say now.

  4. Steve says:

    Back on subject, Allegiant had a fleet manager opening on it’s web site saying “Airbus” behind it.. The Airbus has been taken off the job opening now but looks like they are getting some airbus planes. Anyone know from who or how many? Think way more than 4-8 planes..

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